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Wednesday, February 28, 2007

Saudi Shopping Bus

When we first arrived in Saudi Arabia and were getting settled here at KFUPM, we didn't have a car right away. We would catch the evening shopping buses that KFUPM operates to local shopping areas. We were startled to find that there were always TWO buses, one for the women and the other for the men. They were usually battered old school buses. Well, the other evening, after NINE years, we decided to try this again. Nothing had changed, still the two buses, one for the women and the other for the men. The women's bus is a big old repainted-white school bus and the men's bus is a modern mini bus with nice big windows. Our windows are so dark that not only can the public not see in, but we can not see out. Ah, Saudi is always protecting its women, right?
We took the buses to the Mall of Dhahran, which is not far from our campus. Pick-up time here at KFUPM was 7:30 PM and we could 'shop' until 10 PM when the buses would haul us all back home.
My husband and I really didn't have anything pressing to shop for, it was just something to do. We did a lot of people watching as the night time is when the Saudis come out in full force to shop. Entire families come along with their maids. One of the sights we observed was the very young teenage Saudi girl, totally veiled, being escorted around the Mall by her 11 year old brother. Granted, we couldn't see her face, but her shoes were a dead give away as well as her whole demeanor. The brother's age was pretty easy to tell. This was a very traditional set-up. Girls sometimes go under the veil as young as nine years old. She must be accompanied by a male family member when she is out, and the younger brother can easily slip into this slot. So there they were, going in and out of the ladies fashion stores, she walking with a lively step and he, bored out of his mind, having to accompany her, close by her side at all times.
We saw totally veiled women hurrying about with tired maids carrying crying babies trying to keep up. Why these Saudi women come out so late at night to shop with their maids and babies is always a mystery.
We saw several families with 4 or 5 small children. We didn't see groups of Saudi women out alone. Sometimes during the morning or late afternoons we might see Saudi women out together, without their men, but at night the men are very close at hand with their women.
When it was time to leave, my husband and I went outside to board our segregated buses. The driver of the women's bus (a Saudi) was in such a hurry to get going that he slammed into a temporary fence structure next to the parking lot. Crumbled it up pretty good. Then he tore out of the lot and onto the main road amidst the crashing sounds of packages sliding off seats and onto the floor. I have always believed that the Saudi men are assigned to drive the women's buses as punishment. During the trip back to the KFUPM compound the women were constantly retrieving their packages from the floor and aisle as we sped down streets and took corners way too fast.
End result of this stroll down memory lane of KFUPM shopping bus riding was: NEVER AGAIN!!

15 Comments:

  • I used to live in saudi from like 8th grade to 10th, I am now 21 and I like reading up on the ol MD22 compound and things similar to it. Reading your saudi shopping bus blog was nice and exciting and filled me with memories, thank you. I am sorry you had a terrible experience, but sharing that experience spurred moments and experiences I have had in the past that I seem to have closed out of memory due to age. Thank you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Thursday, June 14, 2007  

  • Hi I realise you haven't blogged in a long time but if you do check this I was wondering if I could private message you about life on kfupm. My husband just got an offer of a job there and I would really like to speak with someone who has the experience of living there.

    Thanks in Advance!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, February 06, 2009  

  • Hi Maria,
    Congratulations on your husband getting a job at KFUPM. I would be glad to chat with you on this but probably it would be best to just do it through the comments on this site.

    By Blogger saudisandy, at Friday, February 06, 2009  

  • Hi Sandy,

    Thats great thanks.

    One of my main concerns is not having anything 'to do'. What do most women in Kfupm spend their time on?

    What are the apartments like? Are they of good quality? Do you have any pictures? Are you allowed pets?

    We're Christians - is it possible to have the bible, Christian books on the compound?

    Is it possible to go outside the university compound without your husband (or someother man)? Is it possible to go to near by 'Western' Compounds without a male escort?

    Is it just 'outsiders' that live in the university compound or do locals Saudi people live their two?

    Is it possible to get to know local Saudi women?

    I know this is a lot of questions but if you could try to answer some I would really appreciate it.

    Thanks Again,
    Marie

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, February 06, 2009  

  • Good Morning Marie,
    You will find that the company of women will be your main source of life in Saudi. You will also be living right next door to the ARAMCO Compound where you will be able to experience the closest thing to American life in Saudi. KFUPM has its own taxi service that will take you over to ARAMCO or anywhere you want to go in Dhahran and Al Khobar, plus the university has lady shopping busses that go out and about on certain days to certain areas for shopping of all kinds. You will need a 'sponcer' to get access into other compounds, this just means that you will connect with others who live there and get telephone numbers in advance that you call at their gate when you sign in. It may sound complicated now, but once you get there and understand the system, it flows just fine. Inside one Western compound there are Christian Fellowship groups/Bridge groups/quilting groups/and many other activities. You will also discover Western Compounds that provide activities for you to join and your access will be taking a taxi from KFUPM. Always remember that KFUPM is a Saudi Compound, and much different from the Western Compouns. You can also go shopping at all the malls in Dhahran and Al Khobar and the downtown area by taxi. You certainly can go alone and you can arrange for the driver to pick you up at a designated time. If you and your husband decide to purchase a car, you can drive it on the KFUPM compound, but women are not allowed to drive outside the gates nor are they allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia. Only ARAMCO and KFUPM allow women to drive on their compounds because they are huge compounds and getting from your apt. to the on-site grocery store or Rec. Center can be a very long walk! There is a Rec. center and a library on the KFUPM compound where you can swim, play tennis and when I left they were trying to offer Arabic classes for women. I am not sure what there state is right now as they were in an upheaval when we left with remodeling and such and those kinds of things move very slowly in Saudi.
    Several apartments were also being renovated when we left so I can not really give you a clear idea of what they are like now. You are living more with the locals there and it is not like ARAMCO or some of the other WESTERN compounds and doesn't have the spiffy amenities they have. It is an adventure, there is no doubt about that. Plus you have stricter rules of the culture on KFUPM about dress and life in general than your neighbors in ARAMCO. I would often tease my American friends on those fancy Western Compounds about the fact that they had no idea where they lived because their surrounding were like living in Arizona or Texas. Kfupm is Saudi Arabia and it is very international and had very few Westerners living there by the time we left.
    Many of my friends at the end of our nine years there were more on the Western Compounds than on KFUPM due to so many people moving away. For about the first five years I had developed strong friendships with women on KFUPM form so many other countries. It was great!
    I do know a couple of women still at KFUPM that will be great contacts for you once you arrive. The company and help of the other women will be a godsend to you.
    You will have to deal directly with the people who are hiring your husband about the pet situation. I knew of only one person that brought a dog over and it was really a very complicated situation to get that dog inside and outside of the country. It can be a very expensive
    You are able to have your bible there, in your home, but Christian objects should not be exposed. Keep them out of sight and just for your private use only. Once you get involved in fellowships groups on a Western compound, you will become more acclimated to the custom of keeping religious articles out of sight. Very important to not flaunt that side of your life while living in Saudi. You will still have a rich religious life there, but it will be 'underground'. It is you own personal belief and practice that you must keep private except when you are in similar company.
    So, you can go out and about on your own or with other women very easily. I would caution you not to go out with any other man alone except your husband. However, you can easily go out and about with two or more men IF one of them is your husband. But I would strongly advise not to go out of the compound with another man alone (except the taxi driver) who is NOT your husband. Taxi drivers are great and helpful and, of course, they are all men. I found that they took care of their women passangers very well. Again, the company of women will be your strongest comfort in Saudi.
    There are many women activities going on in other compounds that you can attend once you start making contacts. When I first arrived in Saudi nine years ago, the women of KFUPM were great and a wonderful mixture of cultures including Saudi women. You will see many muslim women from many different countries. There are Saudi ladies there as well and I was able to meet some because my husband taught with the Saudis men. Many Westerners living on KFUPM teach in the English Dept. and their husbands do not interact much with the Saudi faculty in that dept. But, again, I can give you a name or two of women who do have access to the culture of Saudis.
    There is a wonderful organization of American Women of the Eastern Province (AWEP) that was a life saver for me when I lived there. I can give you contacts for that as well once you get settled in Saudi and through them and their meetings you should be able to enrich your life even more in Saudi. There are many, many American women there in Dhahran and Al Khobar who are married to Saudis and belong to this organization.
    I hope this has been helpful and if you want to leave me your e-mail in your next comment, I would be happy to contact you personally. I do have a way of erasing information from the comments and for your privacy, I would delete it as soon as I got it.

    By Blogger saudisandy, at Sunday, February 08, 2009  

  • Marie,
    I have been assuming all this time that you are American. Not to worry, there are women and groups from all countries in Saudi.

    By Blogger saudisandy, at Tuesday, February 10, 2009  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Tuesday, February 10, 2009  

  • Hi,

    My husband also got a job offer as a faculty at KFUPM. We are in a process of deciding to go or not. We live in US right now. I am working on my PhD. If we decide to go then my husband has to go there without me for a year. Would it be possible for me to find a job there?
    Also, they are offering him a transportaion(about $200 per month)
    and food allowance (about $500per month)Is that a good money?

    All in all I am scared to go there. I am a very social person.
    I will highly appreciate your comments.

    Thanks,

    By Blogger Katie, at Wednesday, March 04, 2009  

  • Hi Katie,
    I am not sure if you could find a job or not in Saudi. Those women with teaching credentials have a greater chance of getting work in the international schools. Through connections you may get work teaching English to Saudi women in women universities. Also, depending on how needy the market is, you may be able to get work in the international elementary and high schools in the area without credentials. Like anywhere, job hunting takes time and there may be many areas within the expat world there that can get you hooked up to employment. Pay for your work in Saudi will be lower than you might think as you are there on your husband's work permit (Iqama). Employers assume you will want to work because you have nothing else to do.
    Your social life there can be very rich, especially with women from other countries living on KFUPM campus as well as American women on Western Compounds.
    I don't think you should be 'scared' as I always felt 'safe' while living in Saudi. The social life you work to create there will also benefit your husband more than anything else. It can be very hard for single men living there without their mates, however, some have worked there for years like that with their wives visiting on and off throughout the year. Since you said you were a social person, that is to your benifit as you will probably meet other women easily.
    All our allowances were quoted in Riyals and the pay came in Riyals and one Riyal is about .27 cents. So I am not totally sure if you meant to quote dollars or Riyals in your comment about allowances. If your quote of $500 for food is accurate, that is VERY good. But again, it is all wrapped up in his salery and how you spend it is all up to you.
    Please don't be scared to go to Saudi. It is quite an adventure! Be excited!
    Saudisandy

    By Blogger saudisandy, at Thursday, March 05, 2009  

  • Hi Sandy,
    Thank you very much for the response!
    I am getting my PhD in human development and family science (probably pretty useless in Saudi)
    Would it be OK if I email or call you if I have some questions?
    Thanks again.

    By Blogger Katie, at Friday, March 06, 2009  

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    By Blogger saudisandy, at Saturday, March 07, 2009  

  • Hi,

    I found this blog while googleing something related to KFUPM. I'm a KFUPM student who is graduating this semester; maybe your husband was my teacher back when you were here so say hi to him for me please :P

    What really made me wanna replay is when you talked about the bus driver. Let me tell you this; it's a punishment for us all, we students have a hard time with them too. The good thing about their driving is that I get to my morning classes so awake! (thanks to my survival instinct).

    Regards,
    Ayman.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, March 18, 2009  

  • Sandy,

    I lived on the KFUPM compound from 1980-82 when I was in elementary school. My Dad was teaching in the Computer Science department at what was then just known as UPM. We had a brand new apartment in East Compound, which backed up to Dhahran International Airport.

    In those days, UPM (and Saudi Arabia in general) was apparently much more westernized that what you describe. There were a lot of families from the U.S., but for some reason all the evening sports programs for kids at the Rec Center seemed to be run by the British. The Brits also used to organize a Guy Fawkes Day bonfire on the beach.

    We used to take the same shopping school bus to Al Khobar as you, but there was just 1 bus for everyone. I remember getting to the Safeway just after prayer time started and having to wait outside in the heat for the doors to be unlocked. I don't remember going to too many restaurants in Al Khobar, but we sometimes ate at a cafeteria at UPM or more often at the one in the Rec Center.

    Even as kids, we knew that while the UPM compound was not really Saudi Arabia, the ARAMCO compound was at another level completely.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Wednesday, September 03, 2014  

  • Can ladies go to thw kfupm mall?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at Friday, April 29, 2016  

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    By Blogger Unknown, at Saturday, April 30, 2016  

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